tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post114300301634693734..comments2024-01-22T10:03:54.063-06:00Comments on .: RESPONSE TO CANDIDACY QUESTIONS 311.3, pt. 2Jonathonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05754345540431565703noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-18798170385146594842010-08-07T06:05:36.868-05:002010-08-07T06:05:36.868-05:00Her discount she'd that the longines. He wonde...Her discount she'd that the longines. He wondered so to the stop in a watches of the online. <a href="http://www.superior-replica.com/tag.heuer/tag.heuer.carrera.calibre.1.17.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>Glamdring replica</strong></a> Buy. 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You raise some very interesting issues. I am a candidate for ministry in the UMC as well. In many ways, the process has been rewarding. In others, it has been very cumbersome. I agree that the communal effort is a much better way of identifying those with the gifts and calling to engage in ordained ministry. But, there are many traditions that move a candidate from the congregational setting toward ordination. In the UMC, in my opinion, where the process leaves the local church is where it becomes unnecessarily complicated. The UMC practice is bogged down in so many rules and regulations, and the course is so cumbersome, that many prospective ministers get overwhelmed. <BR/><BR/>Notwithstanding, if one is called to the UMC and has a genuine mandate from God, he will do what is necessary to succeed. Given the overall lack of personnel in the UMC, however, I would think that they would lack some of these practices. <BR/><BR/>My own pastor sits on the board for ordained ministry here in the NC conference. He has apologized to me over and over again for the “red tape” of the process. I am not trying to be disrespectful, but most UMC pastors that I know, feel grateful to have survived the process rather than feeling pride in being a part of an elite fraternity. <BR/><BR/>One could surmise that because of this process, UMC clergy are of greater quality and therefore, not as prone to failure. I certainly cannot cite comparative statistics, but I am not sure the UMC shields itself from ministerial impropriety because of its more elaborate entry procedures. Just because someone makes it through, does not necessarily mean that they will succeed. <BR/><BR/>In jest, after you get through the process--once you get jump through all the hurdles--you will feel that they owe you a church and a stable income. I really am not trying to sound cynical, but it is a monumental undertaking. And I do applaud you for being true to your inner sense of call. In the end, regardless of the degree of difficulty involved in becoming an ordained minister, any time spent in preparation will be worthwhile.C. M. Keel, Srhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08203835062280979868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1143086595824624392006-03-22T22:03:00.000-06:002006-03-22T22:03:00.000-06:00i think it is possible that it will take a differe...i think it is possible that it will take a different form and possibly even done away with, but i hope that it doesn't.<BR/><BR/>here's what i like about it:<BR/>1. the pastor is part of a "set apart" community within a larger congregational community. from the get go in being called to ministry the person called to ordained/pastoral ministry is isolated- it't can't be about "God told me to be a preacher and so now I'm a preacher"- there is a real communal aspect to becoming a united methodist pastor. <BR/><BR/>2. this "practice" is something that makes us unique and is part of who we are.<BR/><BR/>3. every elder is guaranteed a church. <BR/><BR/>i think these are wonderful gifts that pastors can give a congregation and gifts a congregation can bring a pastor. <BR/><BR/>thanks chris.Jonathonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754345540431565703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1143048004439581642006-03-22T11:20:00.000-06:002006-03-22T11:20:00.000-06:00It seems to me that the "itinerate" nature of mini...It seems to me that the "itinerate" nature of ministry in the Methodist church is not an asset to the church's modern day ministry. While I will agree that it heightens the involvment of laity, it tends to reduce the importance of the clergy. A man is only going to be at a particular location for a short period of time and then off to another church. Also, I find the "missionary" idea to be amiss. Missionaries traditionally serve with people groups new to the faith. Many/most elders, at least with America, serve established congregations. <BR/><BR/>Do you ever see a day when the Methodist church will forgo this practice?C. M. Keel, Srhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08203835062280979868noreply@blogger.com