tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post116032741326025772..comments2024-01-22T10:03:54.063-06:00Comments on .: THOUGHTS...Jonathonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05754345540431565703noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160547453605251132006-10-11T01:17:00.000-05:002006-10-11T01:17:00.000-05:00huh?huh?Jonathonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754345540431565703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160542587113766342006-10-10T23:56:00.000-05:002006-10-10T23:56:00.000-05:00Hi, Joel, et al, That's an interesting subject you...Hi, Joel, et al, <BR/><BR/>That's an interesting subject you bring up about Jones' comments on using the phrase "children of God" in reference to Christians or non-Christians. I think he makes a good point. But I think you make a good point as well that we need something to use in its place. Something that articulates more accurately what we're sensing intuitively and that reflects what we think biblically. <BR/><BR/>I would respectfully press back on your application of the phrase "generous orthodoxy" here since it seems to be in reference to a generosity toward religious belief broadly and not, as I think it is typically (and best) used, as referring to a generosity of spirit to Christian orthodoxy. <BR/><BR/>That voiced, I like where you're going with "child lovingly created by God." Perhaps the way is to emphasize our true commonality with non-Christians like you're doing there. How about drawing in aspects like our common bearing of the image of God and our common offer of grace as ones for whom Jesus died? Thanks for your thoughtfulness on this subject.gmwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03141082618099710161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160538510640378442006-10-10T22:48:00.000-05:002006-10-10T22:48:00.000-05:00it wasn't so much what he was or wasn't saying- i ...it wasn't so much what he was or wasn't saying- i think it was more of a defensiveness that his body language and tone carried in not understanding what the emerging colloquy was all about. i'll be posting the bish's words on mp3 here soon so we can all hear and i can process the words better myself.<BR/><BR/>shalom.Jonathonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754345540431565703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160533270914688562006-10-10T21:21:00.000-05:002006-10-10T21:21:00.000-05:00I was not at the conference, but it sure sounds in...I was not at the conference, but it sure sounds interesting. I do know that Bishop Scott Jones is very much interested in missions, evangelism, and risk-taking for the gospel. What exactly were you suggesting that he was reluctant to take a risk on?Jonathan Marlowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06204365581553282434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160530264341610932006-10-10T20:31:00.000-05:002006-10-10T20:31:00.000-05:00yes, and susan, I am so thankful that you are in l...yes, and susan, I am so thankful that you are in leadership and i am thankful for the perspective and voice you bring to our denomination. I think that the Bishops were just as frustrated as we were that we don't really have a fully complete understanding of what this new thing is. I am also hopeful that this is the beginning of a new kind of conversation in the umc.Jonathonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754345540431565703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160524466021073702006-10-10T18:54:00.000-05:002006-10-10T18:54:00.000-05:00WOW. I am not sure how I feel about it all...I ju...WOW. I am not sure how I feel about it all...I just know that I am grateful for folks who continue to care so much about the gospel, and who although so, what I believe are rightfully frustrated, still show up for a UMerging conference...thanks to all of you.<BR/>Susan C-JSusan Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06608452768089700467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160454918747910442006-10-09T23:35:00.000-05:002006-10-09T23:35:00.000-05:00That conversation did seem, in a way, to be one of...That conversation did seem, in a way, to be one of the more important moments of revelation over the weekend. I've put this up at Gavin's and Jay's, and in the interest of full coverage, am adding this here too. I hope this works-- it's a link to an article recently written by Bishop Schnase on the issue of 'fruitfulness' which was one of the terms in that conversation that suffered some linguistic confusion, yes? Hope we can keep talking...<BR/><BR/>http://www.umnexus.org/commentary.php?Article=169Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160410342684131312006-10-09T11:12:00.000-05:002006-10-09T11:12:00.000-05:00You may need to reflect on John Wesley. He did not...You may need to reflect on John Wesley. He did not exactly "fit" into the extablished church of his time - he preached in the fields because the pulpits of churches were by and large closed to him and his message. He succeeded in spite of, rather than because of, the estabished church.<BR/><BR/>In your monolog/poem at the end, you have "WE MAY WANT TO BREAK INTO ANOTHER CHURCH WHEN WE REACH<BR/>A CERTAIN NUMBER". Here again I recommend John Wesley. He wanted to, and he wnated his movement to, stay in the Anglican church. The break with the ordination of Thomas Coke for America came because it was <I>necessary</I>, not because it was <I>wanted</I>. Please do not feel that you can leave because you want to, or because it is easier, but only if the work to which you are called <I>requires</I> it.decaf owlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06363398990611542527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160358341905067322006-10-08T20:45:00.000-05:002006-10-08T20:45:00.000-05:00thanks for posting this jonathon... especially the...thanks for posting this jonathon... especially the monologue thing at the end; it gives me hope, and that's the only way i can put it.<BR/><BR/>-natalieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160357515825900912006-10-08T20:31:00.000-05:002006-10-08T20:31:00.000-05:00so this has nothing to do with the blog BUT, some ...so this has nothing to do with the blog BUT, some of those pics. up at the top are ones i took! jus thought it was cool.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13685752659820255013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160337404995169772006-10-08T14:56:00.000-05:002006-10-08T14:56:00.000-05:00The sad thing/hopeful thing is that I heard this f...The sad thing/hopeful thing is that I heard this from 60 people in ministry now, and yet I heard how are you going to fund it from the leaders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160336558740400902006-10-08T14:42:00.000-05:002006-10-08T14:42:00.000-05:00i second what guy saysi second what guy saysgavin richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16089190477657027849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160335466344993262006-10-08T14:24:00.000-05:002006-10-08T14:24:00.000-05:00"We happened to have at the colloquy two of the yo...<I>"We happened to have at the colloquy two of the youngest bishops in the umc come and speak to us and allow us to ask questions."</I> <BR/><BR/>It would have really been interesting and exciting to hear you return saying, "We happened to have at the colloquy two of the youngest bishops in the umc come a speak to us and ASK US QUESTIONS"!gmwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03141082618099710161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160332595811097532006-10-08T13:36:00.000-05:002006-10-08T13:36:00.000-05:00Amen and amen!Amen and amen!Mary Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620639746694576459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8722186.post-1160330244984274682006-10-08T12:57:00.000-05:002006-10-08T12:57:00.000-05:00J- You've ALREADY been sent - by someone with MUCH...J- You've ALREADY been sent - by someone with MUCH more authority than any bishop could ever have. You are an inspiration to me...to ALL you are in ministry with everyday! Your spirit and strength encourages and challenges me. It was SO GREAT to see you and get to spend time with you in KC. Let's be in better touch. I'm not a nerd blogger, but I will email. So - know I pray for you and for your seed to fall on fertile ground - for you have SO much to plant!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com